I don’t think he’s saying blockbusters can’t have artistic merit. I mean I'm not a feminist but gimme a true badass and I'll be on their side no matter what their gender. Like B movie awful, like HOW DID THIS GET INTO A MAJOR FILM bad. On the bright side, there are some great foreign/independent films being made without corporate studio blessing. So, even though it's a blockbuster formula it still felt fresh to a lot of people. I think most of the Marvel movies are dumb and boring, and all of the other DC cinematic universe movies so far are dumb and boring. A concerned developer “Tekto” openly stated that the letter he received, mentioned that he breached two laws according to MPA; E.U law and the UK law for providing addons that lead to infringement content. And to the wizard of oz? Patty Jenkins’ “Wonder Woman 1984” press tour is becoming defined by her honest revelations about her working relationship with Warner Bros. On … 2) postmodernism is a late 20th Century movement. But they're just fumbling around blindly with their properties. Ola Rapace stars as a boxer who is forced into testing a dangerous new performance-enhancing drug for one of the corporations that now controls France. More details have been shared about the Wonder Woman 1984 release including international plans and how long it will be on HBO Max. Like someone said above, i usually don't over dissect a movie like this and am happy to enjoy it despite flaws, but in WW's case I was bothered to the point that I didn't enjoy watching it. [/r/moviescirclejerk] You know that Wonder Woman motion picture? :(, [–]Y3808 68 points69 points70 points 3 years ago (8 children). [–]TVDL[S] 22 points23 points24 points 3 years ago (1 child), I haven't read any comic books (I'm not an American, comic book culture isn't really present where I live) so these films are my first introductions to these characters. However, the new update does not bring any entertainment such as movies and TV shows. (Info / Contact), [–]PoopIsAlwaysSunny 4 points5 points6 points 3 years ago (1 child). That's a great point and I definitely think the film would have benefited from including the humans more in the final confrontation between Diana and Ares (like the battle for Gotham's soul between the Joker and Batman in The Dark Knight). My biggest problem with the movie was the ending. It's not as good as Krzysztof Kieślowski's Trois couleurs: Rogue is it? (Spoilers), What Have You Been Watching? With Jade Olieberg, Tobias Kersloot, Lisa Smit, Frieda Barnhard. Strange had an interesting final encounter that was solved in a clever way and I appreciated that film a lot more because of it even though it was still very tropey and generic otherwise. Really interesting take. [–]monarc 23 points24 points25 points 3 years ago (0 children). Your first point isn’t actually answering the question, you’re just describing the characters. Join. The last fight was obviously terrible; Ares had a mixed bag of random powers, Wonder Woman wins with the power of an unrelated personal revelation. They are almost all trash, with no artistic merit. [–]BrckT0p 97 points98 points99 points 3 years ago* (12 children). The backlash against pretty much began the moment this movie made a huge splash, and nearly every critique of it discounts the multi-faceted portrayal of women and empowering message as not that important. The film is about Diana trying to end the war, which is why the betrayal at the end stings so much because she realized she was tricked into continuing it. I mean when it comes down to it, it’s just a movie, and a superhero movie at that, but it could have been so much more. Comment. [–]jag_umiak_roans 1 point2 points3 points 3 years ago (0 children). Apparently with your fists. The ‘band of misfits’ added nothing of value; employing this trope is always a major red flag to me, like that’s the trope you go for when you are out of inspiration as a screenwriter. For me, this moment is Wonder Woman's greatest failure. Or alternatively, you know, just land it after you've taken out the Germans. The movie depicts the Germans so much as the bad guys that I literally thought the story took place in WWII. I had an issue with it being set in WWI rather than WWII- I think it was a way for the writers to take the easy route out. Also; No one reacts to Wonder Woman! You may be met with disdain or mockery, but that doesn't mean you shouldn't. Honestly very few superhero films are great to me. I don't know why the ending is difficult to understand. But I loved them. [–]HaveAWillieNiceDay 7 points8 points9 points 3 years ago (0 children). So what you’re saying is movies are going to get taken over by super heroes just like comics were in the mid 20th century? People acting like Marvel has just been putting out hit after amazing hit. I think it would be much more difficult for her to have a "maybe humans are ok after all" outlook if she toured Auschwitz and Dachau. [–]empossible 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (1 child). Season 1. We provide you a sorted Bane vs Ares games list. UNLIMITED TV SHOWS & MOVIES. [–]MikeArrow 7 points8 points9 points 3 years ago (0 children). These friends are all females in the entertainment industry who want to be directors. [–]ThanksForAllTheCats 1 point2 points3 points 3 years ago (0 children). 2020 TV-MA 1 Season Dutch TV Shows. But your personal dislike of the film, for whatever reason, doesn't change the point that the plot, themes, and craft are functional: you can say that you don't care about teamwork as a theme, but you can't say that this movie failed to depict teamwork as a theme. Batman vs Superman had a lot of great moments strung together by an idiotic and incoherent plot. Literally the only ones I have enjoyed are: Spiderman 1, Blade 1 & 2, Ang Lee's Hulk and Logan, [–]dirtnastybishop 1 point2 points3 points 3 years ago (1 child). I chose these two movies because they both attempt to do the same thing: a big, dumb action blockbuster about a team of super heros, facing an alien threat. In the end, this is a movie about a Sad Dad who feels Bad and needs to apologize to his kid. But unfortunately, it was shut down because of some copyright violations. Well hopefully they've scratched the itch of pushing out empowerment porn and can make the second film more compelling. Yeah and I think if they kept Ares there might have been a smarter way to go about their confrontation then just having them hit each other with a very confusing set of powers. 3) Peruvian cinema: I have at least three Peruvian films in my queue to watch. And quite frankly, that's all it should take. There are issues with that movie similar to the issues you pointed out about WW, the origin story being somewhat clunky and alienated from the rest of the movie being one example. [–]BrckT0p 16 points17 points18 points 3 years ago (0 children). We want to encourage and support in-depth, intellectual discussion. Ewan Bremner's character is clearly suffering post traumatic stress, as evidenced by his night terrors, alcoholism, and his failure to pull the trigger on an escaping enemy. you have to be completely blind and deaf to believe that. Considering its potential, I personally found the first act to be the weakest part of the film. As a D.C. Movie or a big blockbuster in general, I appreciate it's better than most but it doesn't deserve the hype as some new bible of feminism/how to do a good job with women-led storylines. Pre-order/save my upcoming debut album “Dissimulation”: https://ksi.ffm.to/dissimulation.oprListen to my’s recent singles:“Houdini (feat. As a fictional fantasy I think it really should have taken the high ground especially considering its wide audience, [–]Mithridates12 4 points5 points6 points 3 years ago (2 children). The twist; why do so many films feel the need to put a completely unforshadowed twist at the end? Act 3 was somewhat disappointing for obvious reasons, but for the most part typical superhero stuff with the obligatory final battle, which I don't care much about (in general, the vast majority of action sequences I don't mind, but they don't do much for me either, not my cup of tea anymore). Honestly, superhero movies do not do ANYTHING for me. Man I've been saying this from day 1. If a bunch of friends wanted to see it again, I wouldn't object. It would make sense for Wonder Woman 1984 to dive into this aspect since her sibling relationship with Ares had been explored in the previous film. Halle Barry Catwoman? When society breaks down we're rooting for a billionaire who beats up criminals with his hands, instead of investing his money in reforming the institutions that lead to widespread crime. How does she know that that is what you say to appeal to a man? Maybe showing that he’s not behind this event just highlights Diana’s naive nature, but who’s to say he shows up for the sequel or something? That may as well have been forever ago for a kid. I have no idea how to answer that question and feel like that was clumsy. Hmm ya that could work. Technically, the Germans do shoot first, but by about one second. the scene where they flashback in time to see the antagonist when he was younger, he’s this buff guy with the same old man face and mustache. Thinking about it this film honestly would've been better as an epic trilogy with Pt. but have some self awareness at least to recognize that enjoying a film doesn't make it good. But it's been done to death, so everyone else has moved on to more original things like inserting the superhero into other genres - Logan is a western, Spider-man Homecoming is a teen coming of age movie, The Winter Soldier is a spy thriller, etc. No racism, sexism, or other forms of bigotry. [–]Mithridates12 66 points67 points68 points 3 years ago (1 child). Was it more feminist than Catwoman, a literal garbage fire of a movie (winner of worst acress and worst screen play - Golden Raspberries), or Elektra, which was also not well received and starred an assassin in the main role..... yeah, I guess you could say it's more feminist. I didn't read what he said properly. What does that even mean? I think they see Wonder Woman as one step closer to them all becoming big studio directors and the film itself doesn't even register to them. Share Share Tweet Email. [–]QuirkyGroundhog 2 points3 points4 points 3 years ago (0 children). Realising her brother had no doubt set this up as an activity of sorts, she made a 180 and headed back out the door. Ever since Ares premiered on Netflix, we’ve seen people ask a lot of questions about both the plot and the ending. With intriguing characters, a terrifying premise and applaudable performances, this Dutch Netflix project could possibly be your alternative to an otherwise busy streaming weekend. Structurally, the film is a mess; the plot points don't really follow each other, the team jumps from location to location without any explanation, and the overall progression of events doesn't make a lot of sense (most jarring is the move from street->high rise -> helicopter sequence). Enjoyment is subjective. But instead they kept her naïve all the way to the end and by then her revelation about something we have all known for centuries isn’t exactly profound, plus it made the whole “I believe in love” thing seem really cheesy and undeserved. 1 History 1.1 Olympian Murder Trial 1.2 Relationship with Aphrodite 1.3 That’s where you would encounter the swastikas, nazi salutes, etc. But your like of the film doesn't change the fact that half of the "squad" is basically absent from the film, nor does it change the fact that the progression of events doesn't really make sense or follow logically from the proceeding events, nor does it change the fact that there is a thematic bait-and-switch that occurs at the end of the film. It's not like Hitler wasn't still responsible for WW2. Being the war cabin, he picked war movies; Fury, Troy, Dunkirk, Lone Survivor, as well as some greek mythology movies to make fun of including Immortals, Wrath of the Titans, and the animated Hercules. Disliking a generic action film in a saturated market is not the same as hating all blockbusters. Why not go for a little more realism? Your complaints highlight the greater issue with the film though. The "final battle" between Wonder Woman, a symbol of America, and Ares, a symbol of War, nullifies any constructive point the film tries to make about the nature of war. From what I heard they're moving to the late 20th century in her sequel, skipping all of that unpleasantness altogether. I don't like to dissect movies rationally, either blockbusters or art films; I just try to enjoy the emotional impact of movies as if I were a kid, and boy, I was pissed after seeing Wonder Woman in the theater, and I couldn't point out why. Yeup. I'd rather she delivers it with a punch than a "can't bear your touch" like Harry Potter and Voldemort. The Wonder Woman character and her acting weren't awful but she was very one-dimensional with her "I don't understand modern society" gimmick. So she fights to make a better world. My gf thought I was crazy; she loved it. Details File Size: 4615KB Duration: 2.267 sec Dimensions: 498x373 Created: 10/27/2020, 8:53:35 PM I just knew that the movie pissed me off incredibly. See, the reason is because no one is pouring $200,000,000 into an arthouse film that appeals to 0.1% of the population. and join one of thousands of communities. Regular men have evil potential without Ares and need to be here accountable. They are all women, and there are no men. [–]xShadowxNemoZz 4 points5 points6 points 3 years ago (0 children). But I disagree about his defeat. Kind of lost interest at that point. If Marvel had released this movie, I would have hated it. But you wouldn’t bring up the latest avengers movie if you were at a cocktail themed on the discussion of film. ( when associated to comics obviously, because women are wonderful and no one disputes that) Still good effort OP. Finding a hole then coming up with a convoluted way to plug it. WW did solid business globally, but so do plenty of shit films. There were no nazis in the movie. You're basically a SLAVE". Suicide Squad is a messy, semi-broken and ineffective script about what, exactly? Ok. [–]nomefish 42 points43 points44 points 3 years ago* (6 children). I'm sure in a few weeks it'll be The Last Jedi. I thought that was a silly oversight by the director. ###Games: The Movie **Full YouTube Video Compilations of Popular Video Games** This subreddit is strictly a place to share YouTube videos that tell the entire story of a game. I mean for fucks sake, we got an Ant-man movie staring Paul Rudd before a person of color could be the lead in a super hero movie? To be fair, if you were walking around your city and a woman walked by with a sword and shield, how would you react? A lot of critics and other media people didn't present this movie as 'just another blockbuster', but as a serious movie worthy of serious discussion. Wonder Woman clearly has all the pieces of a conventional film—characters, plot, romance, action/effects, etc.—and so much of it can easily be compared to other films of the same ilk and WW pales in comparison. I think Atomic Blonde accomplishes a similar goal, but it's also been similarly criticized for being overly reliant upon genre convention (as well as 80's kitsch). Both Wonder Woman and Wonder Woman 1984 are very different superhero movies. Hell, Iron Man came out 9 years ago and has spawned 16 Marvel Cinematic Universe movies so far and NONE of them have had women as the lead. I think Batman Begins is good, The Dark Knight is great (made a video essay about it a while ago on why I think it works great as a post-9/11 allegory). Think about it: he resided in the heavens before being cast out (fallen angel), and he doesn't force people into wrongdoing as much as give them a little encouragement. Idk I don’t write movies lol. The film itself? I think the lack of social awareness that she had was very much comedic. That being said, the third act was still underwhelming and could’ve been done better. I really love comic books though so I tend to be incredibly forgiving of comic book movies since I’m pretty much entertained by them no matter what. card. I heavily believe that it enhanced the film due to her false hope that Ares was at fault for everything the ending with Steve telling him that it's humanity itself which is at fault was a very well done sequence (even though it could be handled better + the ending). And I can't remember a single hero movie from my childhood with a female lead (although I guess there were female Power Rangers), and that's the reason WW got so much acclaim. I thought it was watchable and occasionally fun/interesting. For example, I'll compare two "big dumb" action films: suicide squad and Avengers 1. [–]TVDL[S] 14 points15 points16 points 3 years ago (5 children). #1: Wanted to watch one episode, ended up searching online for it (x-post from r/iamverysmart) | 2 comments [–]ThatOneCameo 32 points33 points34 points 3 years ago (6 children). [–]nabster100 1 point2 points3 points 3 years ago (0 children). Many don't, we all know that. The actor revealed the news on Instagram, in a post that was later shared on Reddit. Hot New Top. Nick McKinless was set to play Ares in Justice League. [–]horsefeathers743 3 points4 points5 points 3 years ago (0 children). Suicide squad definitely put that statement to the test though lol. He made a blanket statement and said that no superhero films have any artistic merit. Discover and Share the best GIFs on Tenor. Boy, did you say it. Superhero movies are fun, but very few are anything more than that. I picked up the habit, but I've taken it a step further. Diana's naivety - Honestly, you could complain about most "fish out of water" characters, but that doesn't necessarily reflect badly on their respective movies. Ares is ready to take on the gauntlet of heroes … The direction is terrible. Considering diving into a movie binge and looking for suggestions for what YOU would consider 5-10 personal 'Must See' mainstream movies in the past 10-15 years. I also agree that the assumption people being made about it being a great female super hero film just cause it's a female led one is wrong. 3 could have been a war epic/caper with her infiltrating the ball and ended with the battle against Ares. This movie could have been more thoughtful, could have pushed the superhero genre not simply by offering a female protagonist but also by daring to be better than the mediocre fare that is par for the course in this genre. He hid in the body of Remus Lupin for eighty percent of the movie and only made his appearance at the end to announce himself as the orchestrator of World War One. your suspension of disbelief is not totally gutted), and all characters have a meaningful ark (except Black Widow and Hawkeye but they were minor characters). EDIT: The only thing I liked about the movie were the London scenes, and those we're still riddled with WW being unbelievably incompetent. Petition to create r/TrueMovies a place for those who are curious of critical cinematic analysis but think Kubrick is too “Artsy” to watch. [–]JohnKneedep 1 point2 points3 points 3 years ago (0 children). Why the hell are you guys getting so hung up on other people finding this movie to be socially relevant? It premiered at the Paris Comic-con on October 21 and was released in France on 11 November 2016. Ares just exists in this story to be an equal, menacing foil to Wonder Woman, but he ends up being nothing more than an exposition CG machine. He’s saying that the superhero films don’t. In November 2017, the Ares Project received a letter from the Motion Picture Association (MPA), due to which a member of the Ares Wizard approached Reddit with the issue. [–]wrong_assumption 8 points9 points10 points 3 years ago (2 children). But, I wouldn't suggest it either. Watched it again much later and was absolutely blown away by how bad it was. The funny part is that one of the things that made Ebert a great film critic is that he was committed to the concept of grading a movie based on how well it achieved what it set out to do, rather than how objectively great it was: 'In connection with my affinity for genres, in the early days of my career I said I rated a movie according to its "generic expectations," whatever that meant. A few weeks ago it was Blade Runner 2049. Perhaps this is a bit of a reductive criticism, but I think the film basically set itself up to play out almost exactly like Thor which is a film I personally didn't care for. In the comics, Ares never hid in the form of a … * You might be surprised how entertaining some of these videos can be. Storm Collectibles is back with the latest addition to its Injustice: Gods Among Us line, and this time it’s Ares. [–][deleted] 4 points5 points6 points 3 years ago (0 children). Otherwise I loved to see your point-of-view and agree with many of your statements. The way I see it, the movie is casting Ares as a sort of Devil figure. I actually agreed with James Cameron's criticism of the movie. I agree with your points, and here's another I remember: Gal Gadot's legs have absolutely no muscle, which makes it hard to believe she could kick anyone hard. [–]ncolaros 10 points11 points12 points 3 years ago (1 child). [–]Naggins 28 points29 points30 points 3 years ago (0 children). I grew up with my Dad picking holes in films for fun. Dr. [–]ThanksForAllTheCats 21 points22 points23 points 3 years ago (0 children). [–]rophel 1 point2 points3 points 3 years ago* (0 children). Here's a sneak peek of /r/Iamverydumb using the top posts of the year! It’s the female director playing favorites with her female lead and insulting the rest of the industry as well as the audience in saying that a pregnant woman has just as much value as a working individual, which is just untrue. You're serving executives who have stock values to think about. Even at the end of the film where she’s battling Ares the humans don’t really seem to pay attention (as if they’ve already seen dozens of superhero flicks like we have). But the Marvel/DC films are very cookie-cutter and are reticent to take risks and break from the formula. Honestly I hate seeing superhero movies discussed here. A subreddit for roleplaying at Camp Half-Blood! Ok, to your question. 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