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How much will bending an iron affect how it plays? If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. I am glad you mentioned shaft length, static lengths for GI clubs, how it impacts flight, etc. Wedges: Dynacraft Dual Millled 52*, SteelFiber i125 S -or-Scratch 8620 DD 53*, SteelFiber i125 S; PM Grind 19 58* -or-Wilson Staff PMP 58*, Dynamic S -or- Ram TW282 SW -or- Ram TW276 SW What does the average golfer look like? Well break down what the average golfer (male golfer) looks like and offers data that can be used to benchmark your game against. There was only an added 2 yards with the stronger lofts of trackman. I find Callaway irons have to much bounce to begin with esp. Hi Greyson, Bending your irons strong will reduce the bounce of the club. Putter: Snake Eyes Viper Tour Sv1, 34" -or- Cleveland Huntington Beach #1, 34.5" -or- Golden Ram TW Custom, 34" -or- Rife Bimini, 34" Bending irons 2 degrees stronger gopher99 May 9, 2021 May 9, 2021 Thread starter #1 G gopher99 Active member Joined Mar 15, 2019 Messages 233 Hi, i need some info from the more knowledgeable people on here than myself, I would like to bend my mizuno 921 forged irons 2 degrees stronger to fit in with the gapping on my wedges. You hit the golf ball off of the heel of the club often causing the golf ball to hook or pull, You are playing clubs too short for you (again. You might as well get a distance gap before bending. Club fitters are able to bend clubs to increase or decrease the lie angle using a loft, lie bending machine. I will only add that I don't see what the benefit would be to strengthening loft. One other thing is that some clubs are designed from the factory strong lofted to begin with Taylor Made GI irons are a good example of this. The average golfer hits a 7-iron to around 30 yards from the pin. I even fitted a customer with a new SLDR and put him in a 12 degree head with a TP shaft. make it a "digger" per say? Good info to pass along regarding COG. ***GIVEAWAY*** Cleveland CBX ZipCore Wedge! Bounce means nothing. ***GIVEAWAY*** Cleveland CBX ZipCore Wedge! Including me. I am 2 handicap, playing Scottish Links golf, smooth tempo, 80-90mph, pretty straight flight, shallow divot. By Callaway Epic - HZRDUS BlackCobra F9 3 Wood That is only if the area you are going to contact the ball moves up on the face as a result of bending, the lower portion of the face will move backwards when bent strong. Bounce follows loft in a 1:1 ratio. well unfortunately people buy clubs based on their ego and the club manufactures feed it. From my research into various golfer communities, it is highly likely that if you are reading this blog post you probably are playing to somewhere between a 5 and 16 handicap. on tight fairways. St Louis, MO. Here is a quick list of scenarios that might mean that you need to use a flatter lie angle in your clubs: On the flip side, here is a list of situations that might require you to get a more upright lie angle: The best way to get your loft and lie adjusted is by a professional club fitter. And you are right about the irons listed, X Hot is a shockingly low launching iron and the G25 would be the exact opposite, with Rocketbladez mixed in the middle. But if it'll mess up the performance or whatnot, I'm not messing with it. Mizuno MP59 4i-6I w/ PX 6.5, Wedges- Scratch 8620 Driver/Slider set. I completely agree with this! The average golfer leaves 65 percent of all approach shots short of the green. But i am talking more along the lines of the bounce, leading edge, etc. There you can see exactly what it takes to be an average amateur golfer. Copyright 2023 Mitchell Golf Equipment Company. Step 1 for those golfers is to increase ball speed. Paste as plain text instead, Thats why I recommend that golfers get fit for irons on golf radar by a certified fitter who understands how loft and COG work together in iron design. Just about every club that leaves the factory won't be 100% spot on for loft, manufacturing tolerances are going to throw that out. Display as a link instead, Bending 2* strong will increase the clubs digging tendencies. NOW AVAILABLE: GolfWRX G/Fore Hats and Holderness & Bourne Polos! Any knowledge on the subject would be appreciated. It can be re-bent without any adverse effect on it. So, I am now waiting for a major brand to market and advertise that their new, weaker lofts will add distance for most golfers. So I hit my standard 50 yard pitch with a 54* wedge. A wind-affected island track that offers rewards for aggression. Still many worries about bending lofts due to bounce changes, and many also thinkthat shafts can lift or lower ball flight by changing dynamic loft, but without anything happening to bounce, but that cant be prevented, bounce always follows loft no matter if loft was changed due to bending, angle of attack, or adifferent shaft, all 3 scenarios has the same changes. KBS even notes it in the swing speed recommendations for their different model shafts, as their very lightweight steel shafts are about a full flex softer frequency than the standard weight counterpart. Secondly, it also takes absolutely no athletic ability to learn how to set up in the proper posture to make a sound golf swing possible. Titleist Response to USGA / R&A Distance Insights, Bending 716MB irons 1 or 2 degrees strong. I was thinking of bending my irons 3 degrees stronger as my ball flights were too high, but then there would be a big gap to fill between the pitching wedge and the gap wedge, and potentially more side effects of bending the clubs then. This will change the trajectory of the ball, and can potentially cause misdirected shots. I also don't mind the little more offset I don't over cut it. I realize it is hard to write to such a diverse audience, but Im going to give it my best with this post, and pose the basic two questions to each of you : If the answer to No. I did this several years ago and it ended up being quite expensive, so dont be me and order your custom set all at once! Driver: Charles Kelley whats in the bag accurate as of the Pebble Beach Pro-Am. TM TP UDi #3, MC 4-7, MB 8-P w/ Tour V S+ sorry, didnt mean increase loft. Good point. Please contact Patrick Gallagher at 800-437-1314 or email patrick@mitchellgolf.com. Even if you want to say a weakened 4 iron is longer in length than a 5 iron of the same loft and therefore goes farther, your gaps in your set will still be equally proportionate. The concern is that all the fitting carts only have 6 irons and with the gaping on the 3, 4 and 5 irons lonely being 3* I am concerned on irons would react to my adjustments. Are you above or below average for some or all of these statistics? More than likely you will hit the ball a bit farther as well, potentially close to 1/2 a club. Why would you weaken the lofts of every club and increase the bounce angle by a proportionate amount if you could just get rid of the 3 iron and add a gap wedge? The fact remains that only stronger, faster swings can support lower lofts. If you bend lie, you will effect swingweight. Driver: Cobra Amp Cell Pro (8.5 degrees) Shaft: Aldila RIP Phenom 3-wood: Titleist 906F4 (13.5 degrees) Shaft: Aldila NV 7-wood: Michael Hopper whats in the bag accurate as of the WM Phoenix Open. Oh, and Jason Day is reputed to have bent some of his irons strong and I'm pretty sure it has nothing to do with ego. Titleist does recommend no more than +/- 2 degrees from factory and you should be ok. Any more and there is a risk of the stress cracks in the hosel area (primarily cosmetic). Yeah, you can bend them strong and not notice the difference in terms of look. Still have questions? Some people prefer a higher or lower, high- or low-spin ball flight for strategic purposes. Will bending irons 2 degrees strong promote more of a draw ball flight? The so-called "standard" lie angles are 9 iron at 64* with a spacing of 1 deg between clubs. having a discussion with a friend and we are in disagreement. Perhaps the lighter weight is good, but how many people fit into these longer lengths? As a lifelong golfer, a student of the game and having made my living in the golf equipment industry for 40-plus years, I have made it a study to observe golfers of all skill levels as they try to figure out this crazy and very difficult game. Callaway MD 3 52 bent to 54 [size=4]KBS 610 S+[/size] Driver: TM 300 Mini 11.5*, Tour Blue 85 X, 44" -or- Cobra Fly-Z+, Phenom NL 60 X, 44.5", 3w:King LTD, Aldila RIP Beta 90 X -or- TM Stage 2 Tour, NV105 X The drop off in make percentage from 3-6 feet and 6-9 feet is huge. I reckon for every 1 degree off it takes about 250 off the spin. If you change your AOA and go 2* steeper, both delivered loft and bounce is reduced by 2* On the short end, as the pitching wedge loft gets stronger you end up with wider gaps in the scoring clubs. The Wedge Guy: What really makes a wedge work. But what about the mid and low irons, yes I understand some companies make 6/7 hybrids (7 and up is very rare), but you can not really replace an 8 iron with a true hybrid. Ordering & Information I am constantly amazed at how many golfers are trying to play the game with a fundamentally unsound hold of the club. Yes, it is possible to bend the irons 1-2 degrees stronger, but by doing so you would be reducing the effective bounce on the clubs. Sounds like it's a long iron. Taking the destructive shot out of your game is key. In fact, a sound, fundamental hold on the club is the first step in setting up for a technically sound golf swing. Sounds like it's a long iron. Featured Section: With all due respect, I am not saying you do not, but club fitters do this all the time and if they mess it up then they can replace the club. If you've got 2* upright and don't need that configuration, the heel will dig in and you'd pull the shots left (right handed). I know that for every degree strong I bend it, it will take a degree off the bounce. Dont worry and overthink this like most doo. Tiger Woods plays his irons in weaker lofts and he doesnt seem to have any distance issues! Good question. When you get 2* gaps on the long end there is almost no difference between clubs. You might find that you ask yourself if you are better or worse than the average golfer? I have mine bent 2 degrees strong and cannot see any visible difference. See below the make percentage for an average golfer from varying distances. While you might prefer the overlap, interlock or full-finger style, the hold on the golf club is pretty much the same the upper portion of the grip has to be under the pad of the upper hand and held more in the fingers than the palm of both hands. You may want to try searching if you need more info. I know its different for each golfer depending on their individual characteristics but do you have rough numbers (for iron set) to be looking for in terms of launch angle, spin rate etc. Generall, Dont worry and overthink this like most doo. The idea of one ideal spin rate and launch angle for each iron doesnt really make sense to me. I am in favor of weaker lofts. Each player is different and because of this each iron plays different for each player. I have to explain that the design allows the iron to have a stronger loft. Will the clubs dig more or enough to tell a difference? Ping G30 irons w/Recoil 95 My advice is to get fit as cheaply as you can and find some newer distance irons on Ebay or BST that can fit you. 1 for 1, loft for bounce. On GI long irons vs players irons have different width soles, are the effects of bounce differ between the two if the loft is a degree stronger? You can also bend the angles to a consistent specification precisely fit for any golfer. And here is why. The bounce will be irrelevant to begin with in that case anyway. The bounce on irons is pretty much a non starter in my opinion. Display as a link instead, This is even less a personal thing than the grip with very little variation, there is a single way to set up to a golf ball to help a good golf swing happen. This also gives me room for more wedges. I am a good long iron player and prefer them over fairway woods and especially hybrids.
Bending lofts to 2 degrees stronger - WRX Club Techs - GolfWRX These are topics that have been kicked around and that are important in todays market, so articles will most likely be touching on them in the future. He hasnt let that chance go, and while the opening nine events certainly havent been stunning seven missed cuts he showed up at Bermuda, finishing 35th after entering Sunday inside the top-15.
2 degrees upright, what does this say about my swing etc He is also 1 of 33 TrackMan Masters in the world, and has completed thousands of successful fittings using TrackMan. It would increase if you added loft. - Chick Evans, Irons: Mizuno T-Zoid True 5, 7 and 9-irons, Wedge: Mizuno S18 54* and Top Flite chipper, I will add a little to what was posted above. Forged irons should be checked every year or 2 anyway for loft/lie. When you make the club loft stronger you decrease loft, when you make it weaker you increase the loft. Low bounce irons can become more digging prone from this change. So I changed my swing to compress the ball better instead, and just took extra club and swing easy. TaylorMade M2 (2016) 9.5* (2* lower) HZRDUS T1100 75g 6.5 Simply put, bending the iron 6.5 degrees strong wasn't an option. Due to how DeChambeau delivers the club, his 4-iron has a stated loft of 16 degrees; the stock Ping i230 comes in at 22.5 degrees. Not sure about the AP2s. Your email address will not be published. You get to replace the 4 iron thats gone with something you can get in the air. Maybe manufacturers will take note (I doubt it, but keep trying. Yes, thats essentially what Im asking. The sole on that thing is tiny compared to any driving iron and I still had no trouble hitting it off the deck. To do this I will need to bend the 6 iron - PW 1 degree stronger. That's what I did with my 4i: took out the 95 gram KBS shaft and replaced it with a 75-gram SteelFiber 780 HLS hybrid shaft. A typical #6 iron on the Tour is 31* on loft but Dynamic loft is average only 20.2 It depends on several factors including as mentioned above how steep your swing is and if you are a "digger" or "picker". If my hands are 2" farther back or forward at impact that is + or - 3*. 4-AW with juiced lofts is the same set as an old 3-PW that would probably be 22*-48*. Because of my forward foot was so much above my trail foot, my hands were a good 6" behind the ball, when compared to a level lie. I dont like alot of offset so that changes things a little. The ball came out much higher and shorter, just like you would expect from a 63*. My 54 wedge has 12 of bounce and the divots I take with it are just a big as all the rest. On 7/12/2018 at 3:15 PM, PoeKingShankspeare said: Please put and questions or comments here, Please put any questions or comments here, Please put any questions of comments here, w/ SuperStroke 2.MidSlim (50 gr. You won't notice it. The simple fact is that good golf cannot be played with a bad grip on the club. March 27, 2015 at 11:41 AM
All rights reserved. Good luck! I know it will increase the bounce. What I was hoping from this article was proof for that a current 46* MB/CB PW doesnt go any further than the 47/48* PWs of the past. Taylor Made tour issue M2 T3 Ozik Matrix 8M3 X Surely getting consistent results and regular yardage gaps between clubs is more important than shooting for some ideal stats that may go against your natural swing? But Im not sure whats being accomplished with weakening irons. Putters have the least loft, usually from 2 to 4 degrees. The club only has .5 degrees of bounce as it is. I meant decrease loft and make stronger. Pros and cons? So, it is my contention that conditions on the course often vary much more than changing the dynamics of a club by a degree or two. Thanks for your advice, its been helpful. What still kills me are the guys coming in and demanding a lower lofted driver thinking it will give them more distance. examples, keep you head down, hit down on the ball, you gotta swing inside out. "If you have any doubt about the hand position, think of this scenario. I have been reading that the more offset you add it will end up more of a hook shot. This is a dumb question but were you fit for them? This happens probably most frequently with wedges, when a person wants to play 3 instead of 4 wedges for example. Bending strong 2* decreases bounce by 2* and increases offset by about .75mm. You cannot paste images directly. Couldn't agree more with your entire post. I would never ever think of doing this on my own. So the assumption is that the loft alone is what is creating more distance with the new irons. Weakening lofts makes zero sense to me. Lynx Black Cat irons were set this way, so I had to have the 5 iron bent 2*, the 6 iron 1.5, the 7 iron 1.0 and the 8 iron .5 (this was my experimental set). 00bolt, May 18, 2017 in WRX Club Techs. Your link has been automatically embedded. That said, people will usually launch clubs higher with a longer shaft length as well, (mechanical advantage/physics) so again, it kind of goes hand in hand with the stronger lofts. More ball speed helps them keep the ball in the air longer, which raises their maximum height. Bravo, As a club fitter who deals with players that purchase equipment based on what their ego tells them they need verses the facts this is a breath of fresh air! Using a club bending machine to change the angle on a golf club is among the fastest ways to improve a players ball flight. Display as a link instead, If you are taking big divots with a 2 iron you have some serious problems with your swing. You may have heard golfers talk about how they need to use a flatter club or that they need to change their lie angle. Worked very well IMO in terms of reducing spin You will need to check your distances with these gapped lofts. For example, the first generation M2 5-iron has a loft of 21.5. TM Spider Mallet w/ Carbon insert Below, you'll see the results. One good example comes to mind. (I ran into this today.) I dont pretend to be an expert, or even close. Here are some of the facts, and fallacies, about club adjustment. You must log in or register to reply here.
Bending irons to remove offset? - WRX Club Techs - GolfWRX Machines that adjust for all hosel positions, such asMitchell Angle Machinesare accurate regardless of the offset or hosel design of the golf club. Not every iron or wedge can be bent. However, recent form has shown the real Grant, with back-to-back class efforts at Torrey Pines and Pebble Beach, where at the former he led an elite field after a first-round 64. For most players the answer is - MORE than we normally can bend static lofts (plus minus 2*) Hi! ** Due to coronavirus and the work restrictions in place here in Michigan, for international orders, please email info@mitchellgolf.com for a complete quote. Manage your expectations, dont expect to hit every shot close, Make smarter club choices based off the above, Be sensible: The middle of the green is a GREAT place to be, The average golfer will get up and down from a bunker, 1 out of 5 times, The average golfer manages to get up and down around 1 in 3 times, Short game shots from the fairway have the highest success rate. . I can't say that they have kicked my 716 ap2 out for good, but for now the 716 cb are staying in the bag! Vokey 54.10, 2009 58.12 M, Testing TM MG2 60* TW grind and MG356* TW grind. The 4 iron will have a negative bounce if you bend them 2 degrees. AP2 irons are forged and can be bent with no problem, BUT I would recommend taking them to someone who does this for a living. Callaway MD 2 58 [size=4]KBS 610 S+[/size] Compare that with 49-year-old Atwal, with a best of 49th place since 2021 and an average first-round placing of around 120th for his three starts in 2023, and Scott Brown, admittedly a former winner here, but now 719th in the world and who has, since September, withdrawn twice during tournaments, and missed his last two cuts (Pebble and Honda) ranking 99th and 136th for his first round he certainly looks wrong in every way. The only way you would see a difference is if you put them side by side with another set of Ap2's that are not bent. If you want to simply hit the ball further, find an iron that launches really high and spins really low, you will knuckle ball the shot a long ways, but odds are you will not be able to control yardages or stop the ball under most conditions. Well driving iron to be exact. We also see these players having gapping issues with a mid iron, not just 4 and 5 like your example, so adding loft achieves better gapping as well.
Bending Lofts Strong | Golf Monthly Bomb and gouge. The one with a ballflight too high, is delivering the clubhead But if your best place for improvement is in your approach shots or play with the long clubs, you simply must work on your fundamentals of the golf swing. On the opposite and gapping from AW to 9i is very wide about 16 yards about between clubs. Instead, I will take Novak at slight odds-on in his three-ball against Scott Brown and Arjun Atwal. Seriously.
Bending TM P790 irons up to 2 degrees weaker. Is it safe? Good idea? is 2 degrees enough to mess up a club? If the customer cant get the 4 iron in the air, pull that too and give them a hybrid that will get in the air. If you're after a driving iron, I would expect you to use it off the tee for the most part. Using like say an Older Macgregor blade butter knife with a thin sharp leading edge on the sole if you deloft more than 1 degree or so you have a chance of digging to China. If you are a true sweeper that may be ok but you may not see that big distance gain you are hoping for. Golfers can talk about shafts until they are blue in the face, and different shafts will make a difference in control, feel and sometimes launch and spin. I was 50 yards out on the 3rd hole, and was in the moguls.
How to Bend Angle Iron | eHow There are however a few key points that golfers need to know about changing the lie angle of their club so that they can get the most out of their club. GolfWRX_Spotted posted a topic in Tour and Pre-Release Equipment, Tuesday at 04:47 PM, GolfWRX_Spotted posted a topic in Tour and Pre-Release Equipment, February 20, GolfWRX_Spotted posted a topic in Tour and Pre-Release Equipment, February 13, GolfWRX_Spotted posted a topic in Tour and Pre-Release Equipment, February 6, GolfWRX_Spotted posted a topic in Tour and Pre-Release Equipment, January 31, By By setting up with the ball 1" farther back in your stance, and all other things being exactly the same you are delofting the club by 1.6* based on the average length club.. The two things are diametrically opposed in meaning of course. (more on this down below). But regardless of the type of change you are trying to make, you also have to be willing to commit to it and suffer the learning period oftentimes you have to get worse (for a while) to get better (permanently). That is why getting the numbers is so important. What do you mean about not seeing any changes in your irons? The bounce on the 3-iron is already 0 degrees, so will bending the club for a stronger loft make the bounce go negative? You don't say what club it is, but Rev said it sounds like a long iron and I agree.
How Much Does 1 Degree of Loft Affect Distance? Because of my forward foot was so much above my trail foot, my hands were a good 6" behind the ball, when compared to a level lie. The risk that the club will break at the hosel is too high. I am wanting to bend my 5-PW one degree stronger and my 4 irontwo degrees stronger to fit better with my wedges and hybrid golf club. Im 62 and most GI clubs are too long even for me in their stock iteration with this progressive shaft lengths concept. Even forged clubheads made of the wrong steel . It is hard for some golfers to understand how irons with more loft can help them hit the ball farther, and this is understandable. Now I learned to shape the flight high and low at any given moment. The market is fascinating this week, with world number 376 Andrew Novak leading the field.
Can I bend my irons strong? - Golf Clubs - Team Titleist If you think about it, a flatter lie would be toe down for your swing. Distance is fine, but I have an overly high flight in the wind. Editors note: This article is in collaboration with Shot Scope. And the opposite is true as the speed drops. I do not find these to dig at all. It is common for a golfer with a swing speed of 70-to-80 mph or less to hit the ball with a lower trajectory than what is considered ideal. Location. I think that makes a difference.
question on bending a forged iron 2 degrees strong Taylor Made Stealth 10.5 Aldila Ascent Red R flex, Wilson D7 forged 5-GW- Mamiya recoil 460 R flex, Titleist Pro VIxoptic yellow with revkev stamped on them. Your 4i and 5i will tend to get more rollout than the higher # irons, hence the 3* loft gaps. Will it affect offset? I created this website after hearing the same questions from my students over and over as a place where new golfers can come to learn and improve their golf game. Thank you for such an eye opening article. You can post now and register later. 2023 Arnold Palmer Invitational - Discussion and Links to Photos, 2023 The Honda Classic - Discussion and Links to photos, 2023 Genesis Invitational - Discussion and Links to photos, 2023 Waste Management Phoenix Open - Discussion and Links to Photos, 2023 AT&T Pebble Beach Pro-Am - Discussion and Links to all photos, Fitness, maximum efficiency for the time spent. Anyway, the scorecard couldn't care less what club you hit. Whether you can still hit the ball in the air and make good contact is dependent on your swing. However, in reality it was now a 63* wedge so what happened. It is common for the golfers I fit to hit todays irons, which average about 2 degrees less loft per club, as high as their current set (if not higher). Titleist Response to USGA / R&A Distance Insights. Just curious but, can I bend a set of titleist cb718 to the titleist ap2 718 specs? PING Anser 4 Hybrid A Good Fit for a Clubfitter is the Post Fit. i realize the distance and ball flight. Check out our video: how-to bend your clubs on a Mitchell Golf Angle Machine:Get Bending! I suspect Ill be waiting a very long time, Amen, finally some one with great insight. 00bolt, September 12, 2016 in WRX Club Techs. Iwas wondering if I could bend my 712 AP2 irons strong and not see any changes in the irons. That means judging any of this due to the club head alone and isolated makes no sense, we have to include the player and his delivery of the head since thats what matters for if we can / should go weaker or stronger or leave it as it is.